In this episode titled “The Growing Ad Revenue in Podcasting,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss various insights related to the podcast industry’s current state, including recent earnings reports and trends in advertising revenue.

The episode begins with a casual greeting between Todd and Rob, where Todd shares that he is sleeping late due to late meetings. Rob then brings up an upcoming podcast event in Madrid that Todd has been invited to, which piques their interest.

They shift the conversation to recent news that the podcast industry has surpassed the two billion dollar mark in ad revenue, with Rob clarifying that the figure is for 2024 and reflects previous years’ performance. They discuss how podcast advertising revenue compares with other forms of online advertising, noting that podcasting remains a small segment of the overall ad revenue pie.

Todd expresses skepticism regarding the presented figures, citing concerns that only a small percentage of shows receive ad revenue. He notes that many new creators are coming in with clear strategies rather than as hobbyists. Rob agrees and suggests that the podcasting space is trending toward professionalism.

Rob mentions a well-known podcaster, Stephen Bartlett, who turned down a significant offer due to concerns over increased ad loads. Both hosts reflect on the challenges of balancing monetization with audience experience.

They explore the complexity of current advertising dynamics, including host-read versus automated ads, and discuss the fluctuating ad loads across different platforms. Todd highlights that much of the industry’s growth may stem from digital video intersecting with podcasting.

The conversation then turns to the importance of data analysis in understanding podcast metrics, including drops in audience and engagement. Todd shares insights on how creators can leverage existing data to improve their shows.

Rob and Todd also delve into the fast-evolving landscape of video podcasts, mentioning the challenges creators face when transitioning to video content, including time and resource constraints. They discuss how companies like Netflix explore video podcasting but recognize that not all shows fit this model, emphasizing that creators should focus on what works best for their content.

The episode concludes with Todd and Rob reflecting on their podcasting journey, their experiences with equipment and production, and the technical aspects involved in creating high-quality audio and video content. They wrap up by thanking their listeners and encouraging engagement with their show’s resources.

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In this episode of the New Media Show, hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee come together to discuss various topics including growth in podcast listening among women, deep fakes, and AI assistants. The episode opens with Todd welcoming Rob back, explaining that he has been on vacation.

Todd mentions a recent situation involving deep fakes, referencing a listener’s suggestion to discuss a post from the Rich Roll podcast where the host’s voice was used in a deceptive deep fake video. Todd expresses concern over the lack of responsiveness from platforms like Facebook and YouTube when such false content is reported, prompting questions about self-protection against deep fakes.

Rob notes that while deep fake technology has been prominent in celebrity culture, its entry into podcasting is concerning. The discussion continues on how the rapid advancements in AI could complicate the landscape of content authenticity and individual rights.

The hosts then shift focus to the significant growth of women listeners in podcasting, referencing a report that indicates women’s podcast listenership has tripled over ten years. They highlight that 45% of women in the U.S. are monthly podcast listeners, with Rob observing a noticeable increase in female creators in the industry. Todd agrees, suggesting that women might be dominating the creation of new content, but acknowledges that perception still exists regarding men holding a more significant presence.

Todd expresses the idea that many listeners, including women, might still be drawn to male-hosted shows, particularly within popular genres like true crime. Rob counters that he recognizes a trend of female-led teams in the podcasting platforms and that there’s an increasing number of women creators entering the field.

The conversation then circles back to deep fakes, with Rob mentioning a new U.S. bill aimed at protecting individuals’ likenesses and voices. They both agree on the complex challenges presented by unauthorized reproductions through deep fakes and the difficulties in ensuring entities are responsive when such violations occur.

Next, Rob brings up emerging AI tools related to podcasting efficiency, specifically focusing on one called Podcast Prepper that claims to reduce guest preparation work significantly. However, he raises concerns about the potential for these tools to create more work rather than efficiencies, highlighting the importance of careful oversight and validation of AI outputs.

Todd agrees on the necessity of validating AI-generated content, reflecting on the challenges of relying on AI for podcast summaries, which may not always accurately represent the discussions held during episodes. The hosts deliberate on how AI could effectively be integrated into the podcasting workflow while maintaining authenticity.

They discuss various platforms and tools available for AI and podcasting and the potential for an all-in-one solution to emerge in the industry. As they conclude, they transition to lighter discussions about their experiences and reflections on the podcast space, including a recent controversial bug in the Descript tool affecting audio transcription.

Finally, Todd and Rob wrap up the episode, sharing their plans for an upcoming trip to London and highlighting changes in entry requirements for U.S. citizens visiting the UK. They exchange contact details and invite listeners to reach out before ending the episode.

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In this episode, “Podcast Movement Insights and Survey Trends,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss Todd’s team’s experiences at the recent Podcast Movement conference, share insights from various panels, and explore trends in the podcasting industry, particularly regarding video and audio convergence.

The episode begins with Todd and Rob welcoming listeners and noting their show’s successful troubleshooting of audio issues. Todd provides an overview of his team’s perspective on the Podcast Movement event, stating that it was unfavorable from an exhibitor standpoint due to poor traffic and layout. There were concerns about the attendance, with Todd mentioning his team’s estimate of only 800 to 900 attendees, while the official count was allegedly around 1,600. Rob adds that the event may need to pivot to a more networking-focused format as it no longer attracts many new podcasters.

They discuss key topics from the event, including commentary on industry figures like Jared Easley and trends observed regarding attendance and participation from new creators. Rob emphasizes the ongoing convergence of audio and video in podcasting, referencing studies indicating a strong engagement of podcasts in both formats among listeners.

Next, Todd mentions reports from Coleman Insights and Amplifi Media about the audio and video consumption trends, citing that a significant percentage of consumers now engage with both formats. Does the growth in video consumption represent a fundamental shift, noting that audio remains strong? The report indicates high engagement rates of Gen Z with audio and video content. They question how accurately platforms like Apple and YouTube are facilitating podcast visibility and how metrics from these platforms compare.

As they discuss the challenges and opportunities for podcasters regarding video content, Todd shares his observations on Apple Podcast data, noting that we do not know if Video on Apple Podcast is being watched despite its potential. They express concern about the industry’s current focus on monetization and how it affects content creation and creator relationships.

Todd and Rob dive into insights from a Podnews report, highlighting how various podcast platforms rank in terms of user satisfaction regarding discoverability, monetization, and overall usability. Rob expresses disappointment in the chaotic state of the podcast ecosystem, while Todd emphasizes that feedback from hardcore podcasters may not represent the general creator community.

Throughout the episode, they touch on the problems with automated metrics and how platforms need to improve their services to better support podcasters. They also criticize the disconnect between listener engagement and platform metrics.

As they wind down the discussion, they exchange ideas about advancements in AI tools for video editing and content creation, explicitly mentioning various platforms and their associated challenges. They conclude with light-hearted banter about their personal experiences, including potential social gatherings over the following week.

Todd and Rob thank their listeners and confirm their commitment to bringing valuable insights into the podcasting landscape in future episodes.

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The episode begins with hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discussing technical issues that led to a late start, including audio problems that were eventually resolved. They welcome the audience back to the “New Media Show.”

Todd shares his recent experience at Podfest Asia, discussing its growing attendance, which he estimates to be double the previous year, and mentions the evolving content landscape in the Philippines. He highlights a session featuring a provocative podcast called “Too Hot to Podcast,” which caused discomfort among conservative participants. Todd notes significant investments in the Philippine podcast market, with a new sports network that is planning to launch, suggesting a dedication to funding quality content. He also comments on the disappointing absence of Spotify and the dissatisfaction expressed by local podcasters regarding Spotify’s support.

Rob pivoted the conversation to the Podcast Movement Evolutions event in Chicago. He shares that attendance seemed lower than expected, and insights from others suggest that the event does not cater well to independent podcasters due to its timing and structure. The hosts agree that many attendees appear to be industry professionals rather than creators, complicating the event’s aim to support independent voices.

Transitioning topics, Rob mentions the Ambie Awards, which were held alongside Podcast Movement, emphasizing the distinction between audio as a primary medium and the broader scope of what constitutes a podcast. He shares AI-generated definitions of podcasts, highlighting views that classify them primarily as audio content while acknowledging the presence of video versions. Todd concurs that RSS feed support for video podcasts is crucial but recognizes that the broader perception may not align with this.

Todd recounts a survey he conducted in which many attendees at Podfest Asia were unaware that video podcasts could exist via RSS, underscoring the need for ongoing education in the podcasting community.

Rob references recent discussions in a three-part audio series by Media Roundtable that also sought to define what a podcast is today, noting that the series concludes that video will play a growing role. They discuss how many platforms overlook the potential of video in the podcasting landscape.

Throughout the episode, Todd emphasizes that while the definitions of podcasts may evolve, the key idea remains that they should ideally have an RSS feed for distribution. The hosts express the sentiment that audiences, in general, are indifferent to the technical underpinnings of how podcasts are delivered, and they share anecdotes about their experiences navigating podcast distribution platforms.

As the conversation progresses, they delve into the tensions introduced by platform algorithms and their impact on listener engagement. Discussions about success metrics on platforms like YouTube and the changing nature of engagement reveal a broader conversation about the podcasting ecosystem’s future.

The episode wraps up with a reiteration of Todd’s practical experiences with streaming technology and a shared understanding of the complexities of the podcasting industry today. They encourage listeners to consider the importance of both audio and video in their content strategies, underscoring the need for continued discussion and innovation in podcasting.

Finally, Todd and Rob thank their viewers and encourage feedback and questions via email. They confirm their commitment to resuming the show at the same time next week.

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