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New Media Show #652 with Rob Greenlee and Lauren Shippen

On Episode 652 of the New Media Show, host Rob Greenlee shares a screen with Lauren Shippen, Creative Director at Atypical Artists, to tackle a growing tension in creator media around audio fiction, which is thriving as a storytelling format but is being pressure-tested by the industry’s video-first discovery push.

Fiction podcasts did not stop working. What changed is how platforms signal value, how audiences discover new shows, and how creators feel forced to look video-ready to compete.

The real question for fiction creators in 2026 is not “How do I force my story into video?” It is “How do I protect the magic of audio storytelling while adding the right discovery layers for today’s platforms?”

Lauren shares what fiction creators often misunderstand about sustainability, what typically breaks first when the story stalls, and where video helps, hurts, or becomes unrealistic.

Rob lays out a practical framework for separating audio as the product from video as the discovery layer, plus realistic tiers of visual strategy that will not turn your show into a second production company.

Quick answers for creators

What is the episode about
A practical conversation about protecting audio fiction storytelling while adapting to video-driven discovery across platforms in 2026.

Should fiction podcasts become video podcasts to grow
Not automatically. The strategy is to keep audio as the core product and use video selectively as a discovery layer when it improves reach without breaking the production model.

What is the biggest mistake fiction creators make
Trying to solve growth with promotion before fixing story retention fundamentals like onboarding, pacing, cadence, and season design.

How should fiction shows think about video?
As budget tiers. Start with lightweight discovery assets and only move toward full narrative adaptation if the economics and workflow support it.

Topics we cover

– Why fiction creators feel pulled between story-first goals and video-first platform expectations
– The top growth inputs fiction creators still control, even when platforms shift
– Story architecture that drives retention before promotion pacing, onboarding, cadence, and season design
– Video pressure: what is real, what is hype, and what creators should ignore
– Audio only vs video for fiction when format helps and when it hurts
– Budget tiers for video lightweight discovery assets vs full narrative adaptation
– Trailers as conversion assets and how to build a simple start here listener path
– Why human recommendations still beat algorithm chasing for story shows
Community reality checks what to prove before building Discord or fan spaces
– Where AI helps scripted storytelling workflows, and where it can damage authorship and trust
– A practical 30-day growth plan for fiction podcasters

Chapters:

00:00 Story Versus Screen
01:41 Meet Lauren Shippen
03:22 What Counts As Podcast
06:00 Video As Discovery
08:18 Netflix Podcast Strategy
15:30 Monetization And Paywalls
19:48 Apple Video Feed Tension
22:36 Always On Audio Fiction
27:47 Audience Growth Beyond Podcasts
32:50 AI Slop Versus Art
40:21 Sports Analogy For AI
42:38 Why AI Lacks Heart
43:31 Gaming and Interactive Futures
45:03 If Everyone Can Generate It
47:10 The Internet Shapes AI Adoption
48:45 Podcasting as Human Story
51:14 Blurring Fiction and Truth
54:01 Atypical Artist Slate Tour
57:17 Making Shows Work Economically
01:03:54 Producing and Adapting Workflow
01:06:04 Origin Story Bright Sessions
01:10:21 New Projects and Immersive Marketing
01:14:14 Serial Model and Journalism Worries
01:15:38 Fiction Podcast Evolution
01:17:22 Wrap Up and Next Episode Tease

Featured projects mentioned

The Bright Sessions
Rebel Robin
2000 and Late
Breaker Whiskey

Resource Links:

Host: Rob Greenlee [https://robgreenlee.com]
The New Media Show [https://newmediashow.com/]
Adore Network [https://AdoreNetwork.com]
Podcast Hall of Fame [https://PodcastHall.com]
Rob on YouTube [https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee]
Rob on LinkedIn [https://LinkedIn.com/in/robgreenlee]

Guest: Lauren Shippen [https://www.laurenshippen.com/]
Atypical Artists [https://www.atypicalartists.co/]

Book Rob Calendly [https://calendly.com/robgreenlee]

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In this episode, we relaunch the New Media Show #643 with special guest Rob Walsh, VP of Libsyn.

After a difficult last few months following the passing of longtime friend and co-host Todd Cochrane, The New Media Show officially returns with a fresh format and a familiar voice. In this reboot episode, we again talk candidly about the process of bringing the show back, honoring Todd’s legacy, and where the podcasting industry is really headed in 2025 and beyond.

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The conversation also explores the rise of private communities and paid video ecosystems on platforms like Substack and Uscreen, plus the relaunch of NewMediaShow.com with a fully restored archive of nearly 600 past episodes.

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